Monday, October 20, 2008

Re: [CRDP] Honorable Chief Justice visits Sindh


.All dears of CRDP and others,  .... aoa .....
.                                                                   I have to inform all friends that movement for CJ's restoration has not died in Pakistan. As a free lance journalist and a former reporter of the national Daily the Pakistan Times, Lahore, I have to further tell you that this movement took toll of greedy general, Pervez Musharraf, and is bound to take toll of Zardari too but it will take some time as people are AGAIN gathering their strength.
Yours etc.,
Zulfiqar Butt
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--- On Sun, 10/19/08, Syed Ehtisham <syedmae@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Syed Ehtisham <syedmae@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CRDP] Honorable Chief Justice visits Sindh
To: crdp@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 6:05 AM

Dear Beena,
 The CJ does not want to let go of the apron strings of Aitzaz, who hangs on to the hem of the kurta of Zardari who is more snug in Bush's lap than Mush ever was..
 What is the use of lamenting?

Dr. Syed Ehtisham
(607) 776-3336
Blog syedehtisham. blogspot. com
Feudalism, militarism, fundamentalism and bureaucrats constitute the evil Quad in Pakistan.

--- On Sun, 10/19/08, Beena Sarwar <beena.sarwar@ gmail.com> wrote:
From: Beena Sarwar <beena.sarwar@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CRDP] Honorable Chief Justice visits Sindh
To: crdp@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 2:45 AM

In the meantime, Nadeem Farooq Paracha offers food for thought in his
article today, 'Smokers' corner: Priorities right (and left):
http://www.dawn. com/weekly/ dmag/dmag18. htm

Worth reading for the very valid concerns he expresses, which no one
from the lawyers' movement has satisfactorily addressed so far.

beena sarwar
karachi

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:53 AM, omar ali <omarali502000@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have been critical of the lawyer's leaders for mismanaging the great
> lawyers movement in Pakistan (especially the inexplicable mismanagement of
> the Long March), but while the movement has lost a lot of its sheen because
> of missteps, the fact that the CJ has not compromised and is still pressing
> his case means that as things get worse in Pakistan, his stature continues
> to increase by default. The fact remains that the new government has failed
> to establish any kind of credible superior judiciary and even in a country
> in such dire straits, that is a problem that cannot be forever ignored. If
> he hangs in there for a few more months, things may change again.....not
> necessarily with his restoration, but at least with a new campaign, with new
> vigor, maybe even new tactics...maybe it aint over till the fat lady sings.
>
> Omar Ali
>
>
> Deposed CJP gets rousing welcome in Hyderabad
> Sunday, October 19, 2008
> By our correspondent
>
> HYDERABAD: Deposed chief justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry was accorded a
> very warm welcome on his arrival here to attend the lawyersí convention in
> the premises of the Civil Court.
>
> A large number of political workers and lawyers welcomed the deposed chief
> justice at the Toll Plaza of Hyderabad on the Super Highway.
>
> Sindh Tarraqi Passand Party chief Dr Qadir Magsi was among the prominent
> political leaders who received the chief justice.
>
> Activists of other political parties, including the Awami Tehreek, the STPP,
> the Sindh United Party and the Tehreek-e-Insaf, were also present on the
> occasion.
>
> Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry was accompanied by the Supreme Court Bar
> Association President Barrister Aitzaz Ahsan besides other lawyers' leaders.
>
> Various camps were established to welcome the deposed chief justice. A good
> numbers of lawyers were present in the Civil Court premises from Saturday
> afternoon because the scheduled time of the chief justice's arrival was 2
> pm. However, he reached the Toll Plaza of Hyderabad till the filing of this
> report.
>
> The deposed chief justice was on his way to the Civil Court building to
> address the convention organised by the District Bar Association of
> Hyderabad till 9:30 pm.
>
> Strict security measures were adopted on the occasion and over 4,500
> policemen were deployed to avoid any unwanted incident.
>
> Different roads leading to the Civil Court building were also closed and
> policemen had also been deployed on rooftops and bomb disposal squad
> officials were also present.
>
> Briefly addressing the political workers at the Wadhu Wah Chowk, Aitzaz said
> the rousing welcome in Hyderabad gave boost to the ongoing struggle of
> lawyers, hoping that the chief justice would be reinstated soon.
>
> He said the people wanted early restoration of the chief justice because of
> their problems from the price hike to load-shedding.
>
>

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    Tuesday, October 14, 2008

    Don't worry about Linguistic Bigotry!

    All dears, ......aoa.....,
    .                                   Don't worry about ONE person's coments about Punjabi language. I have met hundreds of thousands of Sikhs around the world, who speak Punjabi, even when they are living abroad, for having great love for their mother tounge. Punjabi is an older language than Urdu which some of us feel honoured to speak. I am myself a Punjabi Kashmiri who has felt at ease to speak Punjabi. So don't worry about ONE un-sane person who speaks against Punjabi, a language which has a very strong and wide  depth. I wish the person, in question, could enjoy its depth.
    Yours,
    Zulfiqar Butt
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    --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Mohammad Taqi <Mazdaki@me.com> wrote:
    From: Mohammad Taqi <Mazdaki@me.com>
    Subject: Re: [CRDP] Linguistic Bigotry!
    To: "crdp@yahoogroups.com" <crdp@yahoogroups.com>
    Cc: "apna list" <APNAList@yahoogroups.com>, "appnachat" <apnachat@yahoogroups.com>, "globe medic" <globemedic@yahoogroups.com>, "manzurejaz@yahoo.com" <manzurejaz@yahoo.com>, "crdp@yahoogroups.com" <crdp@yahoogroups.com>
    Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 12:06 AM

    Dear Dr.Gondal,

    Interesting that you bring up Dr. Narang to protect the APPNA apparatchik.
    Two wrongs don't make a right but they sure make a good excuse.

    Just for the record , Dr. Narang is not a native Urdu speaker with Saraiki being his native language. May be he should play the ethnicity card while telling jokes, like the one you just played for Dr.Arif Muslim. 

    Sincerely,

    Dr. Taqi 
     


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    Mohammad Taqi

    On Oct 13, 2008, at 8:01 PM, nasir gondal <nmgondal@gmail. com> wrote:

    http://www.wichaar. com/news/ 289/ARTICLE/ 9550/2008- 10-13.html
     
     
    When Ghazala Kazi told me about her conversation with Arif Muslim and his remark, my spontaneous remark was a loud laugh.
     
    I disapprove of his remarks, but I disapprove more of the way these remarks have been spread.
     
    Arif Muslim is not the only one with a less than complimentary attitude towards Punjabi. Many think like that.
     
    NOBODY raised any hell when Gopi narrated during APPNA mushaira this summer in DC ( as he narrates all the times) the conversation between Josh Malihabadi and Pandit Hari Chand Akhter;  when Josh repeated used to say that Punjabi is the language of Jahannum. In fact, every body was laughing and took it in light mode. 
     
    What Arif Muslim said was not much different than that.
     
    The fact that many great Urdu poets were ethnic Punjabis does support the same notion. Iqbal, Faiz and many living legends of Urdu poetry may have an apologetic attitude about Punjabi. Other wise they would have written more in Punjabi.
     
    Arif Muslim is a person of strong opinions and that is the reason he is not a very likable person. I have complained against him to Ethics and Grievance in 2002 when he did not allow me and others to raise funds for the detainees effected in the post 9/11 dragnet.
     
    I have always found myself on the opposite side of the issues in APPNA. He is one of the APPNA purists and believes it should not be tainted with new ideas. It should remain true to its core issues. Many like me thought otherwise and wish APPNA should be open to new ideas and provide a platform to address all for the issues faced by Pakistani Americans.
     
    But I would not call him a bigot or lynch him.
     
    He may not let APPNA grow up, but he has nurtured APPNA beyond any of us had. I doubt any one will surpass him in his services to APPNA.
     
    His services are not limited to APPNA only. He has served the community he lives in for a long time.
     
    What is strange is the fact that he is son of ethnic Punjabi. He belongs to the Pujabi Sudagraan family.
     
    I feel sad about those who come to APPNA, to gather gossip, perhaps do not even register for the meeting, and once they find anything juicy enough, relay to the world.
     
     
     


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    Thursday, October 09, 2008

    Re: [CRDP] Black Day and Lawyers

    Dear (all) ........ aoa .......,
    .                                       Any student of political science knows very well that the Democracts have different stand on Pakistan. Its only Bush government which has used Pakistan for over years against the USSR and now against the, so called Talibans, people struggling to free Afghanistan of the foreign forces. They are not, in my singular oponion, what is called muslim fundamentalists but re-actionaries. When you kill one's father, wife and children what is left for him or her in this world. So they are becoming bombars and killing their own brothers in Pakistan beside fighting the forces. No government led by the Democrates has ever invaded Pakistan in the past. Its only Bush and his Jew allies who are responsible for all the ills in Pakistan. I was surprized to see 99 per cent of Pakistanis  against the USA, a country which used to be a beloved country before the 9/11, for Bush is responsible and so is his party. So, dear friends, tell your other friends to come up to the occasion and defeat the Republicans in the coming November 2008 elections. This would be a big service to your former country where your ancesters still live.
    Good luck.
    Yours,
    Zulfiqar Butt
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    --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Syed Ehtisham <syedmae@yahoo.com> wrote:
    From: Syed Ehtisham <syedmae@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: [CRDP] Black Day and Lawyers
    To: crdp@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 5:04 AM

    Dear Zulfiqar,
    We already do that.
    The problem is that both parties have nearly identical stand on Pakistan.
    it is up to Pakistani rulers to develop some back bone.
    Ehtisham

    Dr. Syed Ehtisham
    (607) 776-3336
    Blog syedehtisham. blogspot. com
    Feudalism, militarism, fundamentalism and bureaucrats constitute the evil Quad in Pakistan.

    --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Zulfiqar Butt <zabutt45@yahoo. com> wrote:
    From: Zulfiqar Butt <zabutt45@yahoo. com>
    Subject: Re: [CRDP] Black Day and Lawyers
    To: crdp@yahoogroups. com
    Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 5:59 AM

    All dears, .....   aoa.....,
    .                                   Don't waste time, as there are hundreds of thousands of people in Pakistan, to do such exorcises on issues like the lawyers.
    If you want to contribute some thing for Pakistan it should be watching things coming up regarding the 2008 US elections. See what the two USA candidates are saying about Pakistan. I wonder why you miss such an important issue. Its results will be much bigger to count after the November elections. So write to US newspapers, Senators, members of the lower house and your State functionaries. You can also educate other Asian voters to see that only such a candidate wins the election and becomes the President of the USA who would favour Pakistan in the coming days.
    Don't fear any kind of US action as you are living in the USA and have rights there. Writing about Pakistan issues is a very easy target  while living in the USA. Be a Pakistan champion while contributing to issues concerning Pakistan WHILE living in the States.
    Yours,
    Zulfiqar Butt
    ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ______

    --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Syed Ehtisham <syedmae@yahoo. com> wrote:
    From: Syed Ehtisham <syedmae@yahoo. com>
    Subject: Re: [CRDP] Black Day and Lawyers
    To: crdp@yahoogroups. com
    Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 3:15 PM

    "Gaya wakht phir haath aata nahin".

    Dr. Syed Ehtisham
    (607) 776-3336
    Blog syedehtisham. blogspot. com
    Feudalism, militarism, fundamentalism and bureaucrats constitute the evil Quad in Pakistan.

    --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Mohammad Taqi <Mazdaki@me.com> wrote:
    From: Mohammad Taqi <Mazdaki@me.com>
    Subject: Re: [CRDP] Black Day and Lawyers
    To: "crdp@yahoogroups. com" <crdp@yahoogroups. com>
    Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 2:36 PM

    Apparently,Chaudhry Sahib doesn't believe in a graceful exit, does he? 

    It is lame to say that with Marriott gone the lawyers conference cannot be held. What happened to Serena,PC ,Holiday Inn or some university venue. But then he has not been known to take ownership of his miscalculations.

    Regards ,

    Taqi 

    ------------ --------- -----
    Mohammad Taqi

    On Oct 7, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Syed Ehtisham <syedmae@yahoo. com> wrote:

    I would have thought they would celebrate a white flag day.
    Previous Story DAWN - the Internet Edition Next Story


    October 07, 2008 Tuesday Shawwal 7, 1429





    Lawyers to observe black day on Nov 3


    By Shujaat Ali Khan

    KARACHI, Oct 6: Lawyers will observe a countrywide black day on Nov 3 to protest against the government's failure to restore the pre-Nov 3, 2007, judiciary, according to Supreme Court Bar Association President Aitzaz Ahsan.

    Addressing a press conference on behalf of the lawyers' National Coordination Council here on Monday, he accused the ruling party of having violated election promises and repeated solemn commitments and said that they planned to hold a demonstration on the Constitution Avenue in Islamabad to mark the day. "Everybody is invited."

    Emphatically saying that 'no decision had yet been taken to stage a sit-in', he said the protest's "timing, logistics and mechanics" would be worked out later. He said that other details might have been decided if the media had not stormed the Sindh High Court Bar Association's committee room where members of the coordination council's steering committee were meeting, he said, referring to the media people's insistence to hold the press briefing at 5 p.m. as scheduled.

    According to Mr Ahsan, Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry would "decorate lawyers rendering sacrifices during the movement for an independent judiciary".

    The first such ceremony would be held in Lahore on Oct 23 and another in Hyderabad on Nov 15, he said.

    Referring to the international jurists' conference that was to be held in early October, Mr Ahsan said it had been cancelled because of the Marriott Hotel blast. Justice Iftikhar, he said, would visit the United States in the third week of November to receive the Medal of Freedom conferred on him by the Harvard University.

    The honour had previously been conferred on Nelson Mandela and US Justice Thurgot Marshal.

    Denying that the lawyers' resolve for restoration of the independence of judiciary was weakening, Mr Ahsan said it was as firm as ever.

    He said that the deposed judges' decision to take a fresh oath had relieved the pressure on the government only for the time being. The judges who had taken a fresh oath had accepted that their removal on Nov 3, 2007, was constitutionally valid, he added. It set a bad precedent and another "adventurer may feel prompted not only to sack superior court judges but also detain them to subjugate the judiciary", Mr Ahsan said.

    The movement, the SCBA chief said, had, however, been owned by the entire civil society to advance the cause of justice, transparency, good governance and accountability. It would continue till the reinstatement of the last deposed judge in accordance with the Constitution. He said the lawyers' movement had already won historic achievements. It made possible the return of exiled political leaders, the holding of elections on schedule and Gen Pervez Musharraf's relinquishment of the office of army chief.

    He said if Justice Iftikhar was functional as the CJ, he would have taken notice of the ever rising prices, load-shedding, burying women alive in Balochistan and other such issues.
    Dr. Syed Ehtisham
    (607) 776-3336
    Blog syedehtisham. blogspot. com
    Feudalism, militarism, fundamentalism and bureaucrats constitute the evil Quad in Pakistan.




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